Wednesday, July 18, 2007

Comunication Breakdown: Disproving the Christian god, part 3.

I have been told on many occasions that the bible is god's word" and that "god wants me to believe in him and be saved" and that "god has proved his existence to us through his creation" It has also been claimed (by the very same people) that "god is perfect."

Now I know that I often have a hard time getting my point across to some people, sometimes I just can't seem to make people understand what I'm trying to say. This is a problem that is certainly rooted in my imperfection. If I were perfect, any and everything that I attempted to comunicate to anyone, in any way, would be understood instantly . What that person lacked in reasoning skills would more than be compensated for by my perfect ability to comunicate. If someone didn't understand my message to them, then I would have failed in my attempt at comunicating. Can a perfect being fail? of course he can. but only if he wants to!

So, if god is perfect, and has attempted to prove his existence to me in any way, be it through the bible, or his "creation" then he has failed. We are now left with three possible explanations as to why he has failed.

1.) He wanted to fail. (wants me to not believe in him)
2.) He is not perfect.
3.) He does not exist!

Now you tell me, which is it?

Monday, July 9, 2007

God works in mysterious ways!

I've heard it a million times, "god works in mysterious ways". or "god is beyond our comprehension". etc...
(if anyone has specific verses i would appreciate a quote or link.)

what does this tell us?


Quote from: dylan
"God also states in the bible that he and his works are beyond our understanding"


if quotes like this are contained in god's word (the bible) then that is tantamount to saying everything that you think that you understand is wrong.


Quote from: millions of people
"god works in mysterious ways"


if there is a god, and this quote is true, then the door is left open to infinite possibilities. what if god is a prankster a' la Loki, who takes endless joy in the bumblings of us lowly humans? what if ours is an infant god, and we are mere playthings for his amusement?

if you are a christian, and these quotes are true, wouldn't that mean that your faith lies in your understanding of a god who's word says that he is not understandable? wouldn't that alone invalidate any other claim made about god in the bible, or anywhere else for that matter?

perhaps god would value skepticism of the claims in the bible above blind faith in it? perhaps god is pure evil and his word is aimed to deceive. claims like the ones above hurt a christians argument much more than they help it, but if these claims are indeed supported by the bible, it seems to suggest that to search for any understanding about god is futile. so why then be a christian? if god belief is so necessary to your worldview why not just be a deist?